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Pope Francis, blasphemy, Charlie Hebdo, and the punch January 15, 2015

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, Ecumenism, episcopate, General Catholic, huh?, Papa, persecution, sadness, scandals, secularism, Society, Tradition.
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So Pope Francis gave another in his interminable series of impromptu interviews while on an airplane flight yesterday.  He was asked about the Charlie Hebdo massacre and other attacks in France recently.  I haven’t spoken about Charlie Hebdo, because there has been nothing edifying in the whole affair.  A blasphemous, cretinous publication enraged muslims and suffered brutally for the privilege.  They had previously published cartoons and text as offensive against the Church and God as any I have ever seen.  I have no sympathy for them. But I also have no sympathy for the muslim murderers.  The reason I have no sympathy is because their religion is a demonstrably false one, deranged and diabolical.

The Church used to know these truths: you cannot blaspheme against the Church and the Lord, because both are true.  The second is, error has no rights.  Thus, both Charlie Hebdo and the islamic maniacs who attacked them are both violently wrong and to be repudiated. I, for one, have been sickened by this outpouring of support for a magazine few had heard of and few cared about. Our modern culture likes to pretend that freedom of speech is a sacred right, but when the knife comes to the throat, vague notions about liberty are not enough to sustain a person in resistance.  Liberals will inevitably fall before religious conviction, and that is why the West is in collapse: the West has rejected the religion that built her.  Dark ages seem to loom ahead.

Before I get to Pope Francis’ comments on Charlie Hebdo and the conflict between the rights of religion and the highly dubious “rights” invented in the endarkenment, I should add that I am not so much criticizing his comments, as I am using his comments as a hook on which to hang examinations of broader problems in the Church and culture:

I believe that they are both fundamental human rights: religious freedom and freedom of speech. [This acceptance of the “Declarations of the Rights of Man” stands in stark contrast to the approach the Church took towards the revolutionary novelties unleashed by the “enlightenment” for a looong time] We cannot…you are French, right? Well, then, let’s go Paris, let’s speak clearly. We cannot hide a truth today: each one has the right to practice his religion, without causing offense, freely, and we all wish to do this.

Secondly, we cannot offend, make war, kill, in the name of religion, that is, in the name of God. [Again, this is very different from what the Church knew and practiced for most of Her history.  And it reveals a hugely significant shift in thinking.  If the Church is the only One True Church, the only valid religion, and all others are false, erroneous, etc., then the Church possesses unique rights AND duties that other religions do not have. One of the most sacred duties is to oppose error and to assert those same rights.  When error arises, the Church has the duty to crush it, and when false religions wage war on the Church, She certainly has the right and many from times past believed the DUTY to engage in martial combat to defend the Body Christ established on earth.  And so there are many many Saints whose sanctity is associated with their martial prowess.  I also have to think how this kind of comment really besmirches the reputations of great popes like St. Pius V and Urban II.]

That which is happening today surprises us, but let us always think of our history: how many wars of religion have we known! Think only of the Night of Saint Bartholomew [St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre]! How can we understand that. We also have had our sinners regarding this, but we cannot murder in the name of God, it’s an aberration. To murder in the name of God is an aberration……. [Well, murder is very very different from waging just war in defense of the Faith.  It seems Pope Francis conflates warfare – even just warfare – with murder. That is a common line on the political left]

…..Freedom of speech…Each person has not only the freedom, the right but also the obligation to say what he thinks to aid the common good: the obligation! If we think that what a member of parliament or a Senator says – and not only they, but so many others – is not the good path, that he does not collaborate with the common good, we have the obligation of saying it openly. This freedom is necessary, but without offending. Because it is true that one should not react violently, but if Mr. Gasbarri [note: voyage planner, standing beside the pope], who is a great friend, says a swear word about my mother, he can expect to receive a punch! It’s normal… We cannot provoke, we cannot insult the faith of others, we cannot mock faith. [this is the comment that is causing exasperation among liberals. It does seem a bit inconsistent. On the one hand, Pope Francis is saying that violence in the name of religion is always and everywhere evil. On the other, he is saying that if you blaspheme someone, you can expect a punch, like 17 Parisians got punched recently, I guess.  It could just be a recognition of human nature, I suppose: perhaps these things are bad, but we know people are going to react that way, so maybe expect it?]

……There are so many people who speak ill of religions, who mock them, who play with the religion of others. They provoke…and it can happen that which could happen to Mr. Gasbarri if he said anything about my mother. There is a limit! Each religion has dignity, each religion that respects human life and man, and I cannot mock it…it’s a limit. I take the example of the limit to say that, in the matter of the freedom of speech, there are limits, as in the case of my mother. [It’s gratifying to see that Pope Francis does recognize free speech has limits.  For many supporters of Charlie Hebdo these days, freedom of speech is treated almost like a cult, like an absolute that can never be constrained for any reason at any time. So it is a bit comforting to see Pope Francis recognize these limits, but at the same time, now I think there is even more inconsistency, because Pope Francis said violence in the name of religion is terrible, but now seems to be excusing it a bit.  Or at least that blasphemy is wrong, which is certainly reasonable.]

The Church long recognized manifest problems with the radical thinking of the endarkenment. At some level, absolute freedom of speech will crush the rights of religion. We see this all the time with how sodomites and their allies are using their made up “freedoms” to cavort around to silence the Church. And we see how the federal government does the same in things like the HHS Mandate.

This is why the Church recognized the radicalism of the endarkenment ideals, and the threat to right religion they posed. And they are deadly threats.  More and more we are seeing freedom of speech and its amorphous twin, “freedom of expression,” to force the Church out of the public square.  I get back to the original points, there is only One True Faith, and error has no rights.  Thus, there can be no freedom of speech for error, because the duty to shield souls from error and blasphemy and all the other assaults on virtue and right religion are paramount for the good of souls.  Unfortunately, the modernist/progressive influence in the Church has deeply imbibed the humanism of the “rights of man,” rights which trump the rights of God.  We have been told that Guadium Et Spes was a “counter-Syllabus” to confirm this, because that great Syllabus of Blessed Pius IX was aimed primarily at refuting the errors of the endarkenment.

Accepting the ideas of the enlightenment leaves the Church almost unable to defend itself against the onslaught of secularism and militant islam.  You have to believe, really believe, your Faith is the only one and true one in order to fight threats of this magnitude, and very, very few Catholics – especially among our leadership – believe that today.  And so they will be swept aside by the tides of history, because liberal ideas are false chimeras that will not stand against convinced faith.

 

 

 

 

Comments

1. Branch - January 15, 2015

Another problem is who will define or decide cases where the right to practice one’s religion clashes with the prohibition that one cannot cause offense, or make war, kill, etc.?

What if offending or killing or warring is intrinsic to the practice of one’s religion, or at least how one may subjectively understand or view the practice of their religion?

What if, intrinsic to one’s religion or their practice of it, is the view that others cannot practice theirs freely? Given the nature of religion as such, there is no way to arbitrate via a common higher appeal since what is “higher” will differ depending on the religion in question.

And that is entirely the problem, why the “peaceful coexistence” idea is futile and only temporary: there comes a point where there are irreconcilable clashes between what one holds as most sacred and agreeing to some sort of compromise for the sake of “peaceful coexistence” will mean a compromise of what one holds to be most sacred, and so a compromise of their religion. They are then force to chose between their own religion or the ‘religion’ of peaceful coexistence, which acts as a religion because it posits its own highest values and its own highest basis for the arbitration of what is true, necessary, good, etc.

There is no such thing as religious neutrality, even in secular governments or institutions. They must hold to an ultimate, something ‘divine’, something independent and without any conditions placed upon it. In secular France, it’s “liberty” I suppose. In Islam, it is the will of Allah.

For the Church to try to hold these divergent roads together is not admirable, despite its immediate appeal to any humanist ethos, because it is entirely false – false to reality as such, that is. It simply does not hold up.

Tantumblogo - January 15, 2015

Wow! Great comment!

Another thing I did not bring up in the post, but you touch on tangentially above. Liberalism is its own religions, and one of its main cults is “freedom of speech/expession.” There are freedom of speech maximalists out there who are decrying Pope Francis’ comments. They are saying Charlie Hebdo has the right to offend anyone they want in any way they want, and never face any retribution. That is pretty much the same thing as declaring the religion of liberalism the only true and sacrosanct religion, and all other religions must face blasphemy, mocking, and general persecution/repression to the benefit of the “one, true” religion of liberalism.

It’s funny to see even some very conservative secular commenters jumping on this bandwagon, people like Ace of Spades (who I read, a lot) who recognize leftism’s organization and behavior as a religion, but who fail to see that they hold the same faith, just with slightly different emphases. He was bashing Pope Francis’ comments, but he’s really just behaving as a fervent adherent of the left-liberal religion when he does so.

Branch - January 15, 2015

Yes indeed. Liberalism, which poses as a neutral arbiter capable of holding together a pluralistic society is, if not necessarily always in practice, at least theoretically forever susceptible to the pitfalls of self-contradiction as it will become, as you note, the only true and sacrosanct ‘religion’ once it is pushed to its logical conclusion.

I also see here a temptation to a form of Immanentism. In the desire for “peaceful coexistence” and with the ideologies of freedom of religion and freedom of speech firmly entrenched as fundamental human rights, there is this impression created, even if implicitly, that since “each religion has dignity, each religion that respects human life and man,” as the Pope says, religion as such is principally about the good of human life and man.

Leaving aside the problem of defining exactly what it means to respect human life and man – so as to establish what is a true “religion” that possesses “dignity” – what of God? The view is entirely anthropocentric. We are not God’s and His to serve principally, or so it seems to me, but rather religion is a means to another end: and that end is the good of man. This is a perhaps subtle deception, but it makes all the difference.

And this is something that Pope Benedict addressed. This is the real reason that we ended up with a secular France and a secularized Europe in the first place; it’s the guilty conscience of Nietzsche’s Madman – the impossibility of life without God, even a supposed good life, a life that serves mankind well or leaves his ‘freedoms’ in tact.

2. Baseballmom - January 15, 2015

Wow. Excellent post and comments. Going to save and plagiarize in one of my Letters to the Editor…. If that is ok?

Tantumblogo - January 15, 2015

For you, BBM, anything.

3. steve - January 15, 2015

Tantumblogo…”I haven’t spoken about Charlie Hebdo, because there has been nothing edifying in the whole affair.”

I believe that the following is an example of a sense of “edification” (or trying to bring about some good in a bad situation) in the Charlie Hebdo affair:

Following a call to prayers for the deceased (and their families) involved and prayers for the wounded (and for their families), the Bishops of France (for that matter, bishops everywhere) could have hammered home the following points:

1. You had better obtain a state of grace as your hour of death will arrive…it will arrive. Your day at a magazine may be your last day on earth.

Your day as a police officer may be your last on earth. Your day shopping at a grocery store may be your last on earth.

Your hour of death will arrive.

The French bishops should have hammered home the call for Catholics, particularly the massive amount of fallen-away Catholics in France, to fill confessionals…to return to the Church, their holy spiritual mother.

The unfortunate Charlie Hebdo affair could have been employed by the bishops in France as the launch point for the nationwide promotion of the Holy Sacrament of Penance.

The moment was there for the bishops of France (and everywhere) to have generated holiness out of evil.

2. The bishops of France (and everywhere) could have seized the moment to have launched the very much needed honest assessment of Islam…needed desperately as in various parts of the world as Catholicism has been routed by Islam…and that very much has included France.

The ecumenia/interreligiousmania of our Churchmen must cease if Catholicism is to survive in other than remnant form in the face of religious persecutions that various religions have inflicted upon Islam.

Unfortunately and incredibly, in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo affair, the bishops of France (and elsewhere) actually stepped-up their destructive commitment to interreligiousmania.

3. The bishops of France (and elsewhere) should have seized upon the Charlie Hebdo affair to have exhorted Catholics that followers of Jesus Christ could not possibly have thrown in with the “I am Charlie” antichrist movement.

A Catholic…any person of goodwill…can not possibly support the anti-God “I am Charlie” philosophy if he wishes to preserve and promote Christendom…or preserve and promote any semblance of peace and order within society.

The bishops of France (and elsewhere) should have warned Catholics that financial and/or material support of Charlie Hebdo (the publication and/or emerging philosophy) (I am Charlie), is against Church teaching in regard to holiness.

4. Finally, the bishops and France (and elsewhere) should have seized upon the movement to have presented the Church’s teachings on the matter at hand via the Vatican II document Inter Mirifica (Decree on the Media of Social Communications), promulgated on December 4, 1963 A.D.

I quote:

“The most important of these inventions are those media which, such as the press, movies, radio, television and the like, can, of their very nature, reach and influence, not only individuals, but the very masses and the whole of human society, and thus can rightly be called the media of social communication.

“The Church recognizes that these media, if properly utilized, can be of great service to mankind, since they greatly contribute to men’s entertainment and instruction as well as to the spread and support of the Kingdom of God.

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“The Church recognizes, too, that men can employ these media contrary to the plan of the Creator and to their own loss.

“Indeed, the Church experiences maternal grief at the harm all too often done to society by their evil use.

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“Hence, this sacred Synod, attentive to the watchful concern manifested by the Supreme Pontiffs and Bishops in a matter of such great importance, judges it to be its duty to treat of the principal questions linked with the media of social communication.”

“The Catholic Church, since it was founded by Christ our Lord to bear salvation to all men and thus is obliged to preach the Gospel, considers it one of its duties to announce the Good News of salvation also with the help of the media of social communication and to instruct men in their proper use.

“It is the duty of Pastors to instruct and guide the faithful so that they, with the help of these same media, may further the salvation and perfection of themselves and of the entire human family.

“In addition, the laity especially must strive to instill a human and Christian spirit into these media, so that they may fully measure up to the great expectations of mankind and to God’s design.”

4. maggycast - January 15, 2015

TB- could you do a quick post on what the Popes (pre-V2) have said about the so called “enlightenment” and the truth about the evil of “freedom of expression/speech” that is really license to do evil? Or at least point me in the direction of what the Popes said. I can only find two applicable points in the Syllabus of Errors and know good Popes have scourged the idea of “rights of man” junk. Thanks and God bless~

5. steve - January 15, 2015

In point two of my previous post, I stated that “the bishops of France (and everywhere) could have seized the moment to have launched the very much needed honest assessment of Islam…needed desperately as in various parts of the world as Catholicism has been routed by Islam…and that very much has included France.”

In some degree of fairness, I believe that I should note the following:

Is it possible to engage in an “honest”, rational and peaceful assessment of Islam without incurring the enragement of millions of Moslems?

That is, is it possible (translation: Is it safe) for the Church, any organization…anybody…to offer factual information about Mohammad and Islam…Islam’s history…the fact that in many parts of the world today, many Moslems persecute many non-Moslems…without being threatened by various Moslems and Islamic groups with violence and even death?

Holy Mother Church is will to engage in peaceful dialogue (and I don’t mean the nonsense of interreligious “dialogue (flat-out surrender) ) with individuals and groups.

Example: Rather than smash the SSPX, the Holy See last September renewed peaceful discussion with the Society.

Actually, with Pope Francis in charge, the Holy See last September issued its warmest, most peaceful and encouraging assessment ever of the SSPX.

Example: Many Jews (not all) and Jewish organizations (not all) have for years attacked viciously Pope Venerable Pius XII (and the Church) for having aided and abetted supposedly Hitler’s Nazi-led persecutions against Jews.

Rather than threaten said persons and groups with violence, the Church has engaged them in peaceful dialogue…even opened Vatican documents to inspection by interested persons and organizations.

On May 15, 1998 A.D., Edward Cardinal Cassidy, then-chairman of the Pontifical Commission, appeared at the 92nd annual meeting of the American Jewish Committee taking place in Washington, D.C.

Cardinal Cassidy responded with the following to the claim that Pope Venerable Pius XII did not do enough to stop the Holocaust:

“It is our conviction that in recent years his memory has been unjustly denigrated…. Monstrous calumnies… have gradually become accepted facts especially within the Jewish community.”

A couple of things interest me in regard to the above.

1. Cardinal Cassidy engaged without reprisal in an honest assessment of the situation within the “Jewish community” in regard to the promotion of vicious lies against Holy Mother Church and Pope Venerable Pius XII.

That is, Cardinal Cassidy felt safe to express powerful sentiments against Jews. Jews did not issue a call to violence against Cardinal Cassidy.

Jews don’t murder Catholics and/or bomb Catholic churches whenever Catholics express opinions (powerfully but peacefully) against Jews.

2. While many Jews ma/ maintain and promote such lies, they are not murdered by Catholics. Catholics don’t bomb synagogues whenever Jews attack verbally the Church or Catholics.

Again, when it comes to Islam, are Catholics safe to confront freely and honestly (but always respectfully) Moslems as they are in regard to Jews…or Protestants…or any person or group?

Pax.

6. steve - January 15, 2015

The inevitable…

Many news media outlets have misrepresented Pope Francis’ remarks in question.

Various talk radio show hosts, ignorant of Catholicism, have exclaimed that Pope Francis (and Church teaching in this issue) is a “communist…socialist…anti-freedom” danger to the world.

Not surprisingly, callers identified as Catholics to said shows have thrown in with the radio talk show hosts.

“The Pope hates free speech…he’s anti-freedom…anti-American…a communist…a Nazi…”

Many Catholics in question today demonstrated ignorance in regard to the Faith.

They don’t have the first clue that traditional Church teaching is opposed to vile, anti-God speech/”entertainment” as exemplified by the Charlie Hebdo affair.

Pax.

7. Frank - January 16, 2015

I just wish the Pope condemned the unprovoked murder of little Christian children and others in Pakistan. Perhaps Hebo provoked a savage response but what did the Pope say about the attack on the Jewish grocery store? What did they do to be attacked? Sell pork?

8. Marguerite - January 16, 2015

Can somebody explain the following in light of punching someone out. Aren’t we supposed to turn the other cheek when we are insulted? What about “Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” I’m confused. Self defense is absolutely necessary but was what the Muslims did an act of revenge, i.e., an eye of an eye? Was it actually self defense? Should we punch the Muslims for calling Jesus only a Prophet and not the Son of God? Are they not insulting someone we love?

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