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Burke, et. al., Threatened With Loss of Cardinalate Over Dubia November 30, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, different religion, disaster, episcopate, error, Francis, General Catholic, horror, persecution, Revolution, scandals, secularism, self-serving, Society, the struggle for the Church, unbelievable BS.

The reasoning, as always with FrancisChurch, is absolutely atrocious.  Coming as it does from the Dean of the Roman Rota – the very man Francis sacked Cardinal Burke to replace with – is all the more disheartening.  Via LifeSiteNews:

While the dubia of four Cardinals concerning clarification of Amoris Laetitia spreads wider and wider ripples in the Vatican and worldwide, the dean of the Apostolic Tribunal of the Roman Rota, the highest appeals court of the Church, says that they might lose their Cardinalate.

“The action of the Holy Spirit cannot be doubted,” he says. “[The Cardinals] question not one synod but two! The ordinary and the extraordinary,” Mons. Vito Pinto explained during a conference in the Ecclesiastical University of San Dámaso in Madrid, Spain. [OK.  Whether or not the exhortation following the Synods – Amoris Laetitia – is Magisterial (normally it would be, but how can it be where it plainly intends – via Francis’ own implementation/interpretation – to contradict the Sacred Deposit of Faith!), the Synods WERE NOT.  Tiny subsets of bishops do not equate to an ecumenical council, whether they meet one time or forty times.  Not even 5% of the world’s bishops were invited to attend, and the deck was stacked with as many friendly to revolution as possible, particularly in the second synod.  This is specious, circular reasoning at its lowest]

The four Cardinals, Walter Brandmüller, Raymond Burke, Carlo Caffarra, and Joachim Meisner, asked Pope Francis for clarification on September 19, and then went public with their concerns earlier this month when Francis failed to answer.

“Which Church do these Cardinals defend?” Pinto reproaches. “The Pope is faithful to the doctrine of Christ.” [The boundless effrontery of it all is simply amazing.  So now that they have a progressive pope, the Left in the Church decrees that the Faith = whatever the pope says it is today.  They weren’t quite so ultramontanist when Benedict was in the Chair of Peter!]

“What they have done is a very serious scandal that could lead the Holy Father to remove them from the Cardinalate, as it has sometimes happened in Church history,” Pinto expounds. [I think if Francis did that, he would both be making a very big mistake, and also telling us a very great deal about his conception of mercy.  These men, after all, only asked questions, questions which permitted no wiggle room, no diabolical “shades of grey,” which Francis, apparently, has either preferred – or is unable – to answer. Who is introducing the novel doctrines here?  It is not the four cardinals, and their numerous allies.  It is Jesuit Francis.]

The Cardinalate – unlike the deaconate, priestly, or bishop’s ordination – does not entail an ontological change in the individual, but is an office conferred by the Pope. Therefore the Church speaks of “creating” Cardinals who join the College of Cardinals. They serve principally as helpers – in Latin, “hinges” (cardines) – to the Pope in ruling the Church. Therefore, they could theoretically be removed from their positions and return to being “simple” bishops or archbishops.

Mons. Vito Pinto affirms that the Pope has not directly answered their dubia but “indirectly he has told them that they only see in white or black, when in the Church there are shades of colors.” Pinto referred to multiple instances in which Pope Francis stated that life is not black and white but grey.

In the same conference, Mons. Pinto recalls, referring to Catholic “remarried” divorcees, how the center of Francis’ message is that the Church needs to accept the injured and fallen: “A nun told me that there are people divorced or living together who are communicating. And what should the Church do, say ‘yes, you may’ and ‘no, you may not’? Pope Francis wants a Church that is very close to the people.” [Which, if you note, does not address the supposed nun’s supposed concern at all.  It’s meaningless blather. In reality, the message is being conveyed, but in the typical passive-aggressive, cowardly leftist way.  They won’t straight up publicly proclaim heresy, but they hint at it, give it a wink and a nod, and basically encourage people to go that way, while in private communiques, the clear message is sent: give Communion to adulterers. I guess Christ, then, was not up to Francis’ exceedingly high standards of closeness to the people, when he said that manifest sinners who refuse the intervention of the Church should be anathematized?]

For Mons. Pinto the only solution – and the key to Francis’ pontificate – is acceptance, what he calls “mercy.” “In our time the Bride of Christ prefers to use the medicine of mercy and not wield the weapons of severity. The Catholic Church wishes to show herself to be a kind mother to all, patient and full of mercy to the children separated from her.”

Even while they fall into hell?  So did Our Blessed Lord tell the Truth, or not?  Is remarrying after a civil divorce adultery?  Is adultery not a grievous sin?  Did not St. Paul inform us that those who receive unworthily eat and drink condemnation on themselves?  And what did St. Peter tell us about false prophets and blind guides who try to soothe the itching ears of the world by telling them happy lies, lies that smell of sulfur and brimstone?  St. Paul told us that anyone who tries to bring a Gospel other than the one Christ preached must be anathematized.  Does Vio Pinto represent Christ, or Francis?

I am willing to bet Cardinal Burke will be willing to lose much more than a red hat than to fold on this matter of permitting this radical change – this insidious attack – on the Church’s moral Doctrine.


1. Dismas - November 30, 2016

No tyrant like a liberal.

2. Richard Malcolm - November 30, 2016

Minor correction: It was actually Cardinal Dominique François Joseph Mamberti who succeeded Cardinal Burke in his position as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura. Mons. Vito is merely Dean of the Roman Rota, a different position.

Of course, since they had to work with each other to some degree, that still makes this an especially cutting attack.

3. aroamingcatholicny - November 30, 2016

This has all the “Feel & Look” of a Stalinist Purge or a Purge in a Latin American “Revolution Of The Week.”

4. aroamingcatholicny - November 30, 2016

“Fac Interum Vaticanum Magnum.”
Translated, it is “Make The Vatican Great Again.”
Pope Francis, author of “Bergoglianism”, has essentially written New, Heretical Doctrine.
“Heretical, Truly Heretical” is probably the Analysis of #TheDonald45thPOTUS.

5. The Lord's Blog - November 30, 2016

Reblogged this on Jean'sBistro2010's Blog and commented:
BLOGGER’S NOTE: With all due respect to Holy Father who sees grey in the world, Our Lord will only see black and white on the Judgment Day. You will either go to Hell or Heaven on the Last Day. If your lucky before then you might see Purgatory if you avoided Hell altogether.

6. The Lord's Blog - November 30, 2016

I’m sure Cardinal Burke wont mind at all loosing the “red”. He might even be relieved and find better work to do in the Church.

Chris Whittle - November 30, 2016

No cardinal can be stripped of their red garments and title, only their titular church. The worse that can happen is he won’t be able to participate in future conclaves.

The Lord's Blog - November 30, 2016

Thanks Chris. We all like Cardinal Burke and now I like the Cardinals with him who I didn’t know. So many to remember. I’m sure Cardinal Burke doesn’t care if he truly believes what Jesus has in store for him. I’m sure Jesus should be the one Cardinal Burke should be thinking of. I suspect our arch enemy is in on this shenanigans. Who cares about the conclaves. If they don’t have enough Cardinals the church may have to swallow their pride and use him anyway. Who cares I love what Cardinal Burke does for the church right now. God Bless him and the other Cardinals and Bishops I’m reading about so few, which isn’t surprising who care about our Lord and what He thinks. I will pray for Pope Francis because I’m worried about that to. Thanks for replying as I said. I know so much and so little. Blogger Holly.

7. Joseph D'Hippolito - November 30, 2016

This shouldn’t be surprising. People who have the courage to go against the flow are going to be threatened by the powers-that-be. It’s human nature. It’s exactly what happened to Jesus when he confronted the religious leaders of His day.

8. MFG - November 30, 2016

It’s unbelievable and sad how these Francis surrogates believe losing a red cap is somehow important. It shows more about themselves than the actual threat.

Joseph D'Hippolito - November 30, 2016

Well, MFG, when a church has an ecclesiology that “values the red,” as it were, it opens itself up for this kind of tactic, especially since the red ostensibly indicates the willingness to die for Christ. If the Church didn’t “value the red,” the surrogates would try something else.

Yes, it’s disgusting. Human nature, at its core, is disgusting. That’s why Christ came to Earth: to live the Life we couldn’t live and to die the Death we would all experience if we didn’t repent.

Jason Liuzza - November 30, 2016

No on all counts. “The Red” for the modernists like Bergoglio and his lackey Pinto mean something entirely different from what it means in truth and is clearly understood by the four Cardinals. For the former, it is exclusively worldly. For those toads removing the red is akin to the threat of their predecessors in times past to removing your head from your body. Both worldly threats that mean everything to the worldly but nothing to holy men. MFG is very correct. They are simply further exposing themselves.

Christ’s Church is infested with them, all the way to the top. But this is His Church, and they will not prevail. I hope the good Lord allows me to stay here long enough to see the whole modernist disease of the last century be trampled under foot, which it will most certainly be. His will be done.

Joseph D'Hippolito - November 30, 2016

“No on all counts.”

Does that include the following statement?

“Yes, it’s disgusting. Human nature, at its core, is disgusting. That’s why Christ came to Earth: to live the Life we couldn’t live and to die the Death we would all experience if we didn’t repent.”

c matt - November 30, 2016

I am not so sure about what you mean by “at its core.” Human nature was created by God, so “at its core” it would necessarily seem to be good. “At its core” seems to refer to its true unadulterated nature – the original state of Adam and Eve as created by God, which Genesis states was good. This “core” has been corrupted by original sin – after all, Christ came to restore, not obliterate human nature. Human nature corrupted by original sin is disgusting, no argument there. But the view you state sounds a bit too Lutheran to me.

Joseph D'Hippolito - November 30, 2016

c matt, I was referring to human nature as we see it today, not in the Garden. Ever since Adam and Eve, human nature has been fundamentally alienated from God. Regarding Christ, He came to obliterate the power of sin in humanity. That’s how humanity gets restored.

Jason Liuzza - November 30, 2016

No on all counts is plain enough.

Tantumblogo - November 30, 2016

Yep. Awesome comment. Dead on.

9. Tim - November 30, 2016
10. Joseph D'Hippolito - December 1, 2016

Jason, then I strongly suggest you learn why the Gospel is the Gospel and why God ever bothered to send His Son to redeem humanity.

11. c matt - December 1, 2016

So if this becomes the Arian Crisis Redux, which of the four gets to play St. Nicholas and punch Kasper/Arius in the nose?

12. aroamingcatholicny - December 2, 2016

According to the Pecorelli List of Vatican Freemasons, Archbishop Pio Vito Pinto was Raised to Freemasonry in April, 1970, which means he was excommunicated.

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