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Francis’ Response to Dubia Submitted by 4 Cardinals Comes Just as You’d Expect…… November 16, 2016

Posted by Tantumblogo in Basics, episcopate, error, Francis, General Catholic, horror, persecution, Restoration, Revolution, scandals, secularism, Society, the struggle for the Church, Tradition, true leadership, Virtue.
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……..that is to say, using the dumbest form of social media, through a surrogate, and with a tone of smug superiority and total disdain for the very real concerns raised.

Four cardinals, including Cardinal Burke, submitted a detailed dubium to Francis, requesting he clarify or correct what these cardinals rightly perceive as very problematic, even erroneous (or inviting error) statements within Francis’ post-synodal exhortation Amoris Laetitia, which was, surprise!, written before the second session of the synod on marriage and the family had even begun.  You can read the cardinal’s submission, and much related coverage, here.  While some may find this action late, it is important to remember that the Church always moves slowly, that this dubium was sent months ago, and that Amoris Laetitia only came out this year.  I am personally very gratified to see this official communication of resistance – it is really a not so veiled assertion of heresy within Amoris Laetitia, and calls upon Francis to, more or less, retract his erroneous propositions by clarifying them along orthodox lines – but I am left wondering where all this will lead.

Now, this dubium was submitted months ago, but was only publicized recently by the cardinals, since Francis has chosen not to respond to their charitable and quite appropriate submission.  However, his hand-picked court theologian, and author of Amoris Laetitia and a number of other papal statements, Anthony Spadaro, SJ, has responded, almost certainly with the knowledge and approval of Francis himself.  His reply, in the form of “tweets,” are as rude as they are dismissive of very real concerns shared not only by these four cardinals but by millions of other Catholics.  Via VoxCantoris:

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Very much a “my way or the highway” approach – just what one would naturally expect from a man who constantly appeals to charity, compassion, and understanding.  I am being sarcastic, of course, those appeals are naught but means to an end for this most revolutionary pontiff.

I am not surprised to see this response in the least.  It is exactly the kind of response I expect to see from any kind of left-wing ideologue, whether they cover themselves in the trappings of Catholicism or if they are out n’ proud denizens of the Castro Street Fair – not a mutually exclusive crowd, to say the least.  It’s the same kind of completely uncomprehending, dismissive attitude we see from the leftists trying to “re-litigate” the presidential election in the streets of the US.

The only question is, will Burke or other leaders of the Church realize that this man, Francis, is not playing by any of the old rules, and will not respond with anything but sneering derision to any of the standard means of trying to check error?  If this is all the response they get, will they go further?  What else can they, or should they, do, as leaders holding to a more orthodox approach to the Faith Christ gave us?  What should we be doing, if anything, beyond the constant recourse to prayer and penance? Is it even possible to conceive that a general council could be conceived, and that it would judge Francis to be a manifest and obdurate heretic?  I can’t conceive of it, but that’s where Steve Skojec thinks Burke may be headed.

The thing is, this man will never stop.  Amoris Laetitia is just the first major salvo.  There will be many more, unless God intervenes in dramatic or mundane fashion.  Indeed, his liberal allies of the St. Gallen mafia are calling for him to do much more. The intent is clear, to undermine and eventually overturn, along progressive-modernist lines, the entire moral edifice of the Faith, and to dare people to oppose him.  The few remaining institutional checks on wayward papal power are wholly ineffective against an ideologue of this sort, and, even more, the massive cult of personality that has surrounded the papacy over the past century or so has left Catholics ill-equipped to stand in opposition (which is at is should be?). He is unreachable by logic or persuasion.

I don’t have a lot of answers, other than, as I said, doing still more prayer and penance.  Prayer gave this country another chance to avoid the abyss, I pray God will be still more generous with regard to His Church.  The fox is in the henhouse.  We are deep into the passion of the Church.  I don’t know what the future holds, but I fear things will get much worse before they get better.  I guess one final question might be, is schism, at this point, inevitable (by human means)?  Steve Skojec seems to think it is.

Comments

1. Johnny Midnyte - November 16, 2016

#maketheChurchgreatagain

2. Mary Beth - November 16, 2016

Vatican II, which this pope is bringing into fullness, was a schism from the true faith. Sedevacantists have preserved the pre-Vatican II church – they simply continued practicing and stating the faith as it always was, as advised by the Fathers of the Church, while renouncing Vatican II. By adhering to Vatican II (if you do) means you and Steve have probably been schismatic since your 1st communion (1966?), as I was until Jan, 2016. Come out of the quagmire of confusion to the peaceful sanity of the true Faith, and assist at the true Sacrifice of the Mass for the sake of the world. Trump said a Trump Rally was the safest place to be, but it is being in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament in a church untainted by the lies of Vatican II that is indeed the safest place to be – at least safety for souls.

Tantumblogo - November 16, 2016

Thanks for the sede vacantist standpoint. I’m well aware of it.

Tim - November 17, 2016

3. Richard Malcolm - November 16, 2016

Speaking of which – I’m afraid Bishop, er, Archbishop, er Cardinal Farrell is at it again – this time blasting Chaput in service of FrancisAgenda: http://aleteia.org/blogs/deacon-greg-kandra/new-cardinal-perhaps-we-have-emphasized-rules-and-regulations-to-excess/?ru=47d0756eb45e889ab5ed62566f95d010

Because we all know that if the post-conciliar era has suffered from *anything*, it’s been an excess of rules and regulations. It’s been positively stifling.

4. aroamingcatholicny - November 16, 2016

#MOCHA “Make The Church Holy Again.”

5. Baseballmom - November 16, 2016

15 “If your brother sins, go and point out his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won him over. 16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If he still refuses to listen, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”

Well, we are at step two. I pray these Cardinals (and other Faithful Cardinals) will get to steps three and four quickly.

TLM - November 16, 2016

AMEN Baseballmom! I’m sure that the Cardinals have set some sort of a ‘time limit’ now that this letter has gone public for Francis to answer. I don’t think they would have gone public if they didn’t intend to ‘follow through’. There were many more Bishops behind this letter that supported it, but of course they didn’t ‘sign’. Would have been much more effective if they had been brave enough to sign. There’s not much more that Francis can do to these 4………3 of them are ‘retired’ but I’m not sure if he can do anything more with Cardinal Burke, so they are relatively safe, but the rest of them that are ‘silent supporters’ are surely afraid for their positions, etc. I’ve read different numbers of ‘Bishops behind the scenes’ so I’m not sure how many……one piece said over 50, and another said ‘almost 200’ so who really knows? Regardless this is BIG! REALLY BIG!! Kind of an ‘earthquake’ unfolding in the Church………………………….PRAY!!!

Tantumblogo - November 16, 2016

Burke said they were at the stage of bringing it to the Church. Not sure how you are counting but that sounds like stage 3 to me.

Baseballmom - November 16, 2016

Well TB, I saw this step as ” take two or theee with you…”. Which would be step two… but maybe you see going “public” as taking it to the Church? That could be…

Tantumblogo - November 16, 2016

Not what I think, that’s what Burke said if you read the interview. He views this as taking it to the Church.

Baseballmom - November 17, 2016

Ah, ok. Read the interview- missed that… my magnifiers are currently at 2.75 dear… I need to go higher… 😀

6. The Lord's Blog - November 16, 2016

“Dubium” I can look it up but explain to us, your readers what a “dubium” is. Thanks Holly

NickD - November 17, 2016

Dubium, in Latin, means “a doubt, a question”; in this context, it is an official request for clarification over a number of dubia (plural for doubt) regarding Amoris Laetitia. Typically, the request is reciprocated with an official response. However, in this case, that did not occur; rather, the CDF (Congregation for the Doctrine of Francis) took the snarky, social-media route

The Lord's Blog - November 17, 2016

Makes sense. I recognize Latin. Sorrow, only had one year in high school but at least I know the Mother toungue of the church slightly. Were in those uncertain, Liberal, Rupublican, Socialistic times. That will change. The Lord wont wait too long. We don’t know though and that’s fine. Were on the watch. Lets hope we don’t drop the ball when it peacefully comes our way through the Lord. Amen.

7. The Lord's Blog - November 16, 2016

Reblogged this on Jean'sBistro2010's Blog and commented:
Clarification of Amoris Laetitia by four of our esteemed Cardinals.

8. c matt - November 16, 2016

When I first read a headline saying “Francis ignores Dubia” I immediately thought why did he snub our 43rd President?

Tantumblogo - November 16, 2016

I’m smirking.

Baseballmom - November 16, 2016

Wow. I seriously thought the same thing….

9. pearl87 - November 17, 2016

Mr. Spadaro seems to be laboring under the delusion that his opinions and insults matter more to faithful Catholics than the words, teaching, and doctrine of Our Lord. Perhaps he should be the one who looks to see if he and his benighted boss are the ones promoting the answer “they” want.

10. The 4 Musketeers ! | Garabandal News - November 17, 2016

[…] sin, and thus the moral order as a whole.  As the papal mouthpiece Antonio Spadaro, SJ retorted via Twitter: “The Pope has ‘clarified’. Those who don’t like what they hear pretend not to hear it…. […]


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